The downing of the MH17 airliner. Just by the reaction of ‘our’ media it sounded and felt like a done job: it was Russia.
Perhaps pro Russian ‘rebels’ (funny how labels like rebel are used; one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist) purposefully or accidently shot down plane. My gut feeling is it was not them. My gut feeling is it happened conveniently for Putin’s opponents. Of course, I don’t know, but that is my suspicion.
These are the kind of people the UK-US-EU-NATO are propping up:
Ukrainian MP attacks TV station chief for 'pro-Russian' stance; boss assaulted and forced to resign:
A friend referred to my ‘conspiracy media sources’ and inferred I deem all mainstream journalists corrupt. Yes, I deem most ‘mainstream’ journalists as lazy, easily led and directed toward party line thinking, wittingly or unwittingly. To suggest I see Putin as some kind of good guy is also a misinterpretation. At the moment I think he is defending his corner against NATO and unfortunately, the powers pulling the strings of the UK-US-EU-NATO alliance appear to be murderous psychopaths. That’s not to discount Putin as an equivalent George Bush Snr., though I suspect Putin does not share Bush's penchant for younf boys. For further information read read Webster Tarpley on the Bush family.
I don’t know who was responsible. I do know the reporting by the BBC and western mainstream media was narrow minded, slanted and too quick to apportion blame. It left me sceptical. If ‘rebels’ screwed-up, it is no more Putin’s fault than the George Soros style US-EU-UK-NATO campaign to manipulate a ‘revolution’ within Ukraine and oversee the installation of what is widely perceived as a neo-Nazi government which has resulted in today’s circumstances enabling chaos to prevail. The internet sources are not 'my' sources, or 'my' property. They are information. The TV is mostly crap propaganda whether politics, history, science... the list goes on. I cannot explain why I feel this quickly or simply, but it is my opinion, however others see me; whether extreme or just plain naïve. The BBC was set up to be an intelligence asset and TV technology to be a mind / brain wave influence. It is bizarre how many people have it on so often and how hypnotic it is, plus how much subliminal information is received wittingly or unwittingly.
How these calls get leaked goodness knows, but here it is: "Fuck the EU!", Victoria Nuland phoning with Geoffrey Pyatt:
Russia Today: US SPENDS 5 BILLION TO OVER THROW UKRAINE PRESIDENT AND GOVT!
Ukraine: Submit! Victoria Nuland Has Your Future Decided:
The leaked calls of the pro-Russians came out within hours of the event. That leads to suspicion for a start.
When others accuse me of believing in nonsense, they are acting as gatekeepers. It is a common occurrence and a form of inter-community crowd control; anyone who has a different idea gets pulled into line by friends, family and surrounding voices. It does not make them 'corrupt' as we understand the word, but it means I am less likely to express my ideas because I will be mocked and even shouted down. The Daily Mail rules!
Putin has supported Syria where 'our' policy is regime change and he has sided with Iran likewise. Putin has just returned from: BRICS Creates Development Bank To Break Financial Domination Of West:
In the past the banking cartel interests have killed individuals for attempting to establish a threat to the financial status quo. Gadhafi was establishing the Gold Dinar for Africa. I recommend a recent documentary by James Corbett on Century of Enslavement: The History of The Federal Reserve:
.... to better get an idea how the central banking system rules the roost.
What might I find within the 'nonsense' alternative media? Try...
The Bernaysian Manipulation of Humans:
The Heart of the Problem With Israel: The Mass Expulsion of the Palestinian People:
The Malaysian Airline shoot down certainly took attention away from Israeli assault upon the Palestinians. I would recommend being aware and alert. The morning I heard about the shoot down, on the BBC Today programme I heard:
07.15hr Sabrina Tavernise of the New York Times reporting live from the Malaysian Airline crash site talking to BBC R4's Sarah Montague. I paraphrase:
"The local villagers seem to be sure it was the Ukrainians. I know that's not in accordance with the US, but there is little doubt it was the Ukrainians. Locals saw a rocket. Locals say the Ukrainians frequently fire from here..."
These were not the exact words, but as best as I recall. They cut off from the live report instantly after Sabrina had calmly given her view. This is a blog referencing Sabrina Tavernise:
All morning, the BBC put a slant on the 'Russian shoot down', blaming Putin.
At 07.24hr they aired an alleged phone call between Russian separatists and Russians talking about having brought down the plane. The BBC continued to suggest it was Putin.
08.01hr An up-date on BBC R4 Today again broadcast part of Sabrina Tavernise's call, but only a description of the scene, omitting: "The local villagers seem to be sure it was the Ukrainians. I know that's not in accordance with the US, but there is little doubt it was the Ukrainians. Locals saw a rocket. Locals say the Ukrainians frequently fire from here..."
The BBC went onto suggest it was pro-Russian rebels.
Here is a list og subsequent reports and articles:
MH17 conspiracy theories emerge: Fake passports, AIDS researchers, false flags and more:
Spanish Air Controller At Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17:
Malaysia Airlines says requested higher flight plan:
Was Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior behind the Downing of Malaysian Airlines MH17?:
Was MH17 Sabotaged By An Israeli Security Team At Amsterdam Schiphol Airport?
Pro-Russia rebel commander suggests passengers died days before Malaysian flight:
Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 Downed Over Warzone Ukraine. Who Was Behind It? Cui Bono?
Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?:
Malaysian 777 Shot Down Over Ukraine Updated:
Why is a Malaysian Airliner Identical to the Missing One Being Stored in Tel Aviv?
Crashed MH17 flight 'was 300 miles off typical course':
21st Century Wire: Flight MH17 Conjures MH370, Exposing Western Deception, Leading To More Questions:
The Daily Mail, ITV, BBC, Sky news and other mainstream sources, all have editors and bosses. Many of the independent sources do not have such editorial restriction. Yes, an editor can help structure the information to make clearer the story, but an editor can also structure the information to present a different slant or angle on an issue, in effect creating propaganda. Most mainstream media is slanted once you realize how to analyse it.
As a general rule, if you want to be informed, go online. If you want to follow the official party line, follow the BBC, ITV, Mirror to Mail etc... this incident is relatively non controversial. Try exploring gas chambers during Nazi WWII concentration camps, discovering there probably weren’t any and sharing that with family, friends and anyone within earshot. Then, gate keeping really comes into its own.
Even family members frequently accuse me of not listening to other people’s opinions. It’s incredible when you consider the wide range of opinions I do consider, just not necessarily the neighbours in my village, because generally they do not have a clue beyond mainstream sources via TV, radio and news print. I on the other hand monitor a myriad of sources from around the world, yet I do not consider other people’s opinions!?
Even the term conspiracy theory is a 'conspiracy'.
"The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term 'conspiracy theory' and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time."
Today, the CIA-designed propaganda seems to be wearing off; "... those who do not believe government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one."
It can be an endless task merely researching articles just on the term 'conspiracy theory':
I have been questioning the bullshit Co2 climate change scam for years and taken so many hits for being a 'denier' or whatever other silly names thrown in my direction. Brian Cox and David Attenborough are lauded for being experts within their fields and reliable sources of wisdom. I cannot abide either and it would take at another article to explain why.
Airlines shot down over the Ukrain? Try 'Medvedev talks of aliens living among humans. Alien exposure continues apace':
Reporter: Mr. Prime Minister. You know everything. Aliens visited earth?
PM Medvedev: I'll tell you the first and last time. Together with nuclear suitcase president bring folder - Top Secret. And it is entirely devoted to the strangers that visited our planet. The report is provided by the special service which handles the control of aliens in our country... After management team - two folders and a nuclear small suitcase are transferred to the new President. You can receive more detailed information, having watched the chronicle documentary film of the same name: Men In Black
Reporter: Oh you.. how many?
PM Medvedev: How may them among us I can't tell because the panic will begin.
How does the world work? This movie provides an entertaining general gist of how today’s financial structure is founded: The House of Rothschild 1934. Full Movie:
I welcome a contradictory opinion and am aware of avoiding unflinching agreement. I want to have to reconsider; re-evaluate; be made to take another look.
Info Wars reference The Daily Mail at 10.45 mins...
The original Daily Mail article:
Daily Mail: serial killer Putin:
What did US spy satellites see in Ukraine?
West media criminal enterprise of lies:
MH17’s Cargo Of Infected Corpses Was Targeted At Tehran:
'Anything other than social media?' State Dept's MH17 evidence secret: White House PR is spouting bollocks:
Guilt By Insinuation — Paul Craig Roberts:
Key Piece of Video “Evidence” for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked:
Key Piece of Video “Evidence” for Russian Responsibility for Malaysian Plane Shootdown Debunked:
US intelligence: No direct link to Russia in Malaysia plane downing:
Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings:
Infiltrated: Mossad in Malaysia
Russian Media Reporting Passports From Flight MH17 Were All Brand New Just Issued
What Happened to the Malaysian Airliner? A Gutless Media asks all the Wrong Questions.
Paul Craig Roberts
Washington’s propaganda machine is in such high gear that we are in danger of losing the facts that we do have.
One fact is that the separatists do not have the expensive Buk anti-aircraft missile system or the trained personnel to operate it.
Another fact is that the separatists have no incentive to shoot down an airliner and neither does Russia. Anyone can tell the difference between low-flying attack aircraft and an airliner at 33,000 feet.
The Ukrainians do have Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, and a Buk battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner.
Just as the separatists and the Russian government have no incentive to shoot down an airliner, neither does the Ukrainian government nor, one would think, even the crazed extreme Ukrainian nationalists who have formed militias to take the fight against the separatists that the Ukrainian army is not keen to undertake--unless there was a plan to frame Russia.
One Russian general familiar with the weapon system offered his opinion that it was a mistake made by the Ukrainian military untrained in the weapon’s use. The general said that although Ukraine has a few of the weapons, Ukrainians have had no training in their use in the 23 years since Ukraine separated from Russia. The general thinks it was an accident due to incompetence.
This explanation makes a certain amount of sense and far more sense than Washington’s propaganda. The problem with the general’s explanation is that it does not explain why the Buk anti-aircraft missile system was deployed near or in a separatist territory. The separatists have no aircraft. It seems odd for Ukraine to have an expensive missile system in an area in which it is of no military use and where the position could be overrun and captured by separatists.
As Washington, Kiev, and the presstitute media are committed to the propaganda that Putin did it, we are not going to get any reliable information from the US media. We will have to figure it out for ourselves.
One way to begin is to ask: Why was the missile system where it was? Why risk an expensive missile system by deploying it in a conflict environment in which it is of no use? Incompetence is one answer, and another is that the missile system did have an
What intended use? News reports and circumstantial evidence provide two answers. One is that the ultra-nationalist extremists intended to bring down Putin’s presidential airliner and confused the Malaysian airliner with the Russian airliner.
The Interfax news agency citing anonymous sources, apparently air traffic controllers, reported that the Malaysian airliner and Putin’s airliner were traveling almost the identical route within a few minutes of one another. Interfax quotes its source: “I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft at 15:44 Moscow time. The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical.”
I have not seen an official Russian denial, but according to news reports, the Russian government in response to the Interfax news report said that Putin’s presidential plane no longer flies the Ukraine route since the outbreak of hostilities.
Before we take the denial at face value, we need to be aware that the implication that Ukraine attempted to assassinate the president of Russia implies war, which Russia wants to avoid. It also implies Washington’s complicity as it is highly unlikely that Washington’s puppet in Kiev would risk such a dangerous act without Washington’s backing. The Russian government, being intelligent and rational, would obviously deny reports of an attempted assassination of the Russian president by Washington and its Kiev puppet. Otherwise, Russia has to do something about it, and that means war.
The second explanation is that the extremists who operate outside the official Ukrainian military, hatched a plot to down an airliner in order to cast the blame on Russia. If such a plot occurred, it likely originated with the CIA or some operative arm of Washington and was intended to force the EU to cease resisting Washington’s sanctions against Russia and to break off Europe’s valuable economic relationships with Russia. Washington is frustrated that its sanctions are unilateral, unsupported by its NATO puppets or any other countries in the world except possibly the lap-dog British PM.
There is considerable circumstantial evidence in support of this second explanation. There is the youtube video which purports to be a conversation between a Russian general and separatists who are discussing having mistakenly brought down a civilian airliner. According to reports, expert examination of the code in the video reveal that it was made the day before the airliner was hit.
Another problem with the video is that whereas we could say that separatists conceivably could confuse an airliner at 33,000 feet with a military attack plane, the Russian military would not. The only conclusion is that by involving the Russian military, the video doubly discredited itself.
The circumstantial evidence easiest for non-technical people to understand is the on cue news programs organized to put the blame on Russia prior to the knowledge of any facts.
In my previous article http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/17/sanctions-airliners-paul-craig-roberts/ I reported on the BBC news report which I heard and which was obviously primed to place all blame on Russia. The program ended with a BBC correspondent breathlessly reporting that he has just seen the youtube video and that the video is the smoking gun that proved Russia did it. There is no longer any doubt, he said. Somehow the information got on a video and on youtube before it reached the Ukrainian government or Washington.
The evidence that Putin did it is a video made prior to the attack on the airliner. The entire BBC report aired over National Public Radio was orchestrated for the sole purpose of establishing prior to any evidence that Russia was responsible.
Indeed the entire Western media spoke as one: Russia did it. And the presstitutes are still speaking the same way.
Possibly, this uniform opinion merely reflects the pavlovian training of the Western media to automatically line up with Washington. No media source wants to be subject to criticism for being unamerican or to find itself isolated by majority opinion, which carries the day, and earn black marks for being wrong. As a former journalist for, and contributor to, America’s most important news publications, I know how this works.
On the other hand, if we discount the pavlovian conditioning, the only conclusion is that the entire news cycle pertaining to the downing of the Malaysian airliner is orchestrated in order to lay the blame on Putin.
Romesh Ratnesar, deputy editor of Bloomberg Businessweek, provides convincing evidence for orchestration in his own remarks of July 17. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-17/the-malaysia-airlines-shootdown-spells-disaster-for-putin?campaign_id=DN071814 Ratnesar’s opinion title is: “The Malaysia Airlines Shootdown Spells Disaster for Putin.” Ratnesar does not mean that Putin is being framed-up. He means that prior to Putin having the Malaysian airliner shot down, “to the vast majority of Americans, Russia’s meddling in Ukraine has largely seemed of peripheral importance to U.S. interests. That calculus has changed. . . . It may take months, even years, but Putin’s recklessness is bound to catch up to him. When it does, the downing of MH 17 may be seen as the beginning of his undoing.”
As a former Wall Street Journal editor, anyone who handed me a piece of shit like Ratnesar published would have been fired. Look at the insinuations when there is no evidence to support them. Look at the lie that Washington’s coup is “Russia’s meddling in Ukraine.” What we are witnessing is the total corruption of Western journalism by Washington’s imperial agenda. Journalists have to get on board with the lies or get run over.
Look around for still honest journalists. Who are they? Glenn Greenwald, who is under constant attack by his fellow journalists, all of whom are whores. Who else can you think of? Julian Assange, locked away in the Ecuadoran Embassy in London on Washington’s orders. The British puppet government won’t permit free transit to Assange to take up his asylum in Ecuador. The last country that did this was the Soviet Union, which required its Hungarian puppet to keep Cardinal Mindszenty interred in the US Embassy in Budapest for 15 years from 1956 until 1971. Mindszenty was granted political asylum by the United States, but Hungary, on Soviet orders, would not honor his asylum, just as Washington’s British puppet, on Washington’s orders, will not honor Assange’s asylum.
If we are honest and have the strength to face reality, we will realize that the Soviet Union did not collapse. It simply moved, along with Mao and Pol Pot, to Washington and London.
The flaw in Putin’s diplomacy is that Putin’s diplomacy relies on good will and on truth prevailing. However, the West has no good will, and Washington is not interested in truth prevailing but in Washington prevailing. What Putin confronts is not reasonable “partners,” but a propaganda ministry aimed at him.
I understand Putin’s strategy, which contrasts Russian reasonableness with Washington’s threats, but it is a risky bet. Europe has long been a part of Washington, and there are no Europeans in power who have the vision needed to separate Europe from Washington. Moreover, European leaders are paid large sums of money to serve Washington. One year out of office and Tony Blair was worth $50 million dollars.
After the disasters that Europeans have experienced, it is unlikely that European leaders think of anything other than a comfortable existence for themselves. That existence is best obtained by serving Washington. As the successful extortion of Greece by banks proves, European people are powerless.
Here is the official statement of the Russian Defense Ministry: http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh-17-crash-in-ukraine-official-statement-from-russian-defense-ministry/5392000
Washington’s propaganda assault against Russia is a double tragedy, because it has diverted attention from Israel’s latest atrocity against the Palestinians locked up in the Gaza Ghetto. Israel claims that its air attack and invasion of Gaza is merely Israel’s attempt to find and close the alleged tunnels through which Palestinian terrorists pour into Israel inflicting carnage. Of course there are no tunnels and no terrorist carnage in Israel.
One might think that at least one journalist somewhere in the American media would ask why bombing hospitals and civilian housing closes underground tunnels into Israel. But that is too much to ask of the whores that comprise the US media.
Expect even less from the US Congress. Both the House and Senate have passed resolutions supporting Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians. Two Republicans--the despicable Lindsey Graham and the disappointing Rand Paul--and two democrats--Bob Menendez and Ben Cardin--sponsored the Senate resolution backing Israel’s premeditated murder of Palestinian women and children. The resolution passed the “exceptional and indispensable” people’s Senate unanimously.
As a reward for its policy of genocide, the Obama regime is immediately transferring $429 million of US taxpayers’ money to Israel to pay for the slaughter.
Contrast the US government’s support for Israel’s war crimes with the propaganda onslaught against Russia based on lies. We are living all over again “Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,” “Assad’s use of chemical weapons,” “Iranian nukes.”
Washington has lied for so long that it can’t do anything else.
CrossTalk: MH17 Spin
The BBC Deleted This Video as it Told the Truth About Flight MH 17:
Another false flag? MH 17 likely downed by a SU fighter jet about 20 miles south east of Gorlovka:
The Malaysian Airline MH17 Crash: Sixteen Central Issues Which Cannot be Ignored
NEW MH17 SENSATION: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets:
MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag:
Kiev Source: Ukraine Accidentally Shot Down MH17 During Exercises:
Jeff Rense & Gordon Duff - Israel, Mossad And MH17:
Flight MH17 - What You're Not Being Told:
Episode #44 – SUNDAY WIRE: ‘Declassified: The MH17 Files’ with Patrick Henningsen, Dean Ryan and Basil Valentine:
MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene:
Ukraine MH17 may be CIA false flag and it ain’t flying:
Malaysia accuses US and EU backed Ukraine regime of MH17 shoot-down:
The kind of interview you think oh Jesus, may be I follow too much internet stuff! However, I've come across Simon Parkes before being interviewed by AMMACH. The chap is apparently a working councillor, with ET parents and wife?!
PROJECT CAMELOT: SIMON PARKES - THE MEASURE OF A MAN:
At 54 mins onward they discuss Ukraine and I've roughly transcribed some....
MH17 which crashed within the Ukraine was destined to crash into a major Russian city.
The Russians shot it down under Putin's orders.
The plane was carrying a virus. Mossad played a role. The contents of the cargo bay were meant for a Russian city.
A group of about 20 Chinese scientists working on stealth technology. Their demise left the patent to Jacob Rothschild
(NPP: Hey BBC, do us a favour and check it out! Yeah right, no probs!)
There was another group of genetic biological warfare scientists also on the plane.
A number of the bodies found by 'rebels' on the ground had been tortured.
Blood supplies were also on board containing very nasty virus.
Mossad had a bomb in the hold, the objective being detonation to spread the contents far and wide.
This is why it was not brought down by a missile in mid air, but by cannon fire aimed at the cockpit to bring it down in one piece to contain the contamination in a much smaller area.
(NPP: Oh please 21st Century Wire investigate to at least eliminate this version of events....)
... I and it goes on; Russians and Americans working together on some level anyway.... oh and Simon's Jewish too!
Photo of wings from Iranian Persian site / times looks like Nazi emblem.
Simon does not agree to a hollow earth, but does agree to caverns and places where cities exist in the 3rd and 4th dimensions held within the planet...
There's an energetic war going for and around earth...
Sovereign Man: MH17 will usher in a completely new kind of war, one the US cannot win:
Sovereign Man: Making sense of Ukraine boots on the ground report:
17.11.2014- Israel was behind downing of MH17: Professor Fetzer:
MH-17 and the Jesuit Minuet:
MH17: Malaysia's Barring from Investigation Reeks of Cover-up
So, there's some stuff on The Downing Of A Malaysian Airliner Over The Ukraine!
15.02.2015 - Going Underground with some real TRUTH about Ukraine 14 Feb:
02.04.2015 - Germanwings plane crash: a circle of lies:
03.05.2015 - Malaysian Airlines M17: Canon Bullet Discovered in MH17 Wreckage:
16.10.2015 - BUK manufacturer says Russian-made air defenses ‘absolutely’ not involved in MH17 crash:
07.11.2015 - Another one... The Real Truth Behind Russian Flight KGL9268 Crash In Egypt:
Conspiracy Theory: What Really Happened to the Russian Passenger Jet?