Gobeklitepe - Göbeklitepe
Pot Belly Hill
An invitation to ask questions. Past, present, future?
This is a post of notes on an 'ancient' site that allegedly may be a game changer with regard to the human time line on earth. It brings to mind the question:
Do you have a favourite theory or belief about how humankind came to be on earth? Who are we? How did we come to be? Do you hold an inclination toward Creationism, Evolution or other theories?
List of largest monoliths in the world:
Maker Arts: The World's First temple:
Graham Hancock on Gobekli Tepe - Dec 2015:
John Anthony West and Laird Scranton on Ancient Civilizations and Reality - April 28, 2015 :
48:00 mins in West suggests: "Gobeklitepe is a smoking gun..."
Scranton compares the possible link with Dogan houses:
3 Scientific Fields that are Evolving Humanity’s Worldview:
Robert Schock proposed the Sphinx had been exposed to water erosion and was older than the accepted 5,000 years. Peer review responded that there was no example of human sophistication in the world older than 5,000 years. Then Gobeklitepe turned up...
Zahi Hawass Storms out of Debate with Graham Hancock before it even Begins:
Red Ice discuss Robert Bauval Zahi Hawass Heist:
18 mins in: Bauval was asked for inspection of his genitals to determine if he is Jewish or not! Apparently he is not.
Gobeklitepe leads investigaiton of other sites of antiquity e.g. Mersin
Gobekli Tepe: Fantastic New Photos Of 11,000 Year Old Temple Complex, The Oldest Known:
Close to Gobeklitepe, near Sanliurfa is the 'oldest university' in the world at Harran.
From Henry at TAP:
Harran was part of the Kingdom of Edessa - which spawned the biblical Jesus according to Ralph Ellis, now much ruined by Moslem control, once a super-rich enclave. 'Jesus', real name King Manu, was also known as Izates, shortened to Izas, whose beliefs were not Christian, but Gnostic. He believed the sun, earth and moon were conscious entities, which manifested on earth through Royal representatives, the ladies as the moon, the men as the sun, e.g Louis of France, the Sun King, being of descent from the same family of Heaven as Izas, Mary Magdalene, who was his sister/wife in the Egyptian tradition...
Gnostic beliefs saved us from Christianity via the Orange Order which saw the Reformation and the Enlightenment into being. The collapse of the enlightenment is what we are now living through, courtesy of a combination of apathy and the extremism of Islam. War, debt and religion the tools of our oppression - Islam just another Abrahamic, patriarchal, monotheistic, salvationist religion determined to crush our awareness of who we really are and what our place is in the world.
Jesus, King of Edessa:
The Solar Storm with Kyle Hunt - Guest: John Lash:
"Gnosis is not a belief system. It is knowledge.."
16.07.2015 - Gobeklitepe in English language newspaper...
Signs of world’s first pictograph found in Göbeklitepe:
"There were no graves 12,000 years ago. The dead bodies were left outdoors and raptors ate them. In this way, people believed the soul goes to the sky..."
"The obelisks symbolized the sacred beings that people worshipped at that time..." Ercan said....
Ned note: Şanlıurfa Museum Director and Göbeklitepe excavation head Müslüm Ercan is making assumptions and concocting theories when in reality he does not know. Isn't is great we have such expert analysis!?
18.07.2015 - Turkish NGO ONE promote Gobeklitepe:
23.07.2015 - Energy: Stonehenge 1:39:38 mins:
Harry Oldfield - Energy Fields Revealed - Extended - Kirlian Technology - Beyond Visible Spectrum:
27.07.2015 - Conscious Explorer - Ancient Past Present Task - Pt2:
56 mins Long Barrow Giant's Grave, Ireland. 16ft. What?
The Strand Magazine:
Unfortunately, it is suggested this giant is a hoax:
01.08.2015 - Göbeklitepe is close to the Syrian border. I met no threat whilst visiting Göbeklitepe, yet back in the UK countryside locals were apparently appalled that I might have ventured into ISIS territory. Oh dear. Now Turkey is apparently bombing inside Syrian territory. I suspect Atatürk might have considered foreign entanglement inappropriate:
Turkey's War On The Kurds, ISIS Air Force Flies Again:
... and oh dear, there's more: Erdogan Launches War in Attempt to Become Turkey’s Supreme Leader:
09.08.215 - Another Megalith That rewrites History is Found:
Last night my image Where In Time was removed from istanbu1881 FaceBook page. Apparently istanbul1881 had received 2 messages complaining the colours reminded them of the PKK. The stupidity of people never ceases to astound me:
1000s in Istanbul call for peace, blast Turkey's war on Kurds:
"We Have A Civil War": Inside Turkey's Descent Into Political, Social, And Economic Chaos:
Göbeklitepe is close to the Syrian border. It's a mess just now:
Energy equation theory: Richard D Hall The Secret Space Fleet: 29.00 mins in...
One of those Hollow Earth YouTube films, but it does reference a map depicting MU, Admiral Richard E. Byrd....:
22.08.2015 - So many references to ancient sites, energy fields etc... e.g. 106.44mins the energy field of an earth site: Freddy Silva - Ancient Temple Grid Network, Lay Lines, Sacred Sites for Consciousness Activation:
110.10 mins sheep at base of Avebury centre of power standing stone... 110.25 mins energy flow around stones... 111.32 mins "7 degrees of perfection enable passage from earth to heaven..." 111.33 mins "...your thoughts are electro-magnetic..."
Stephen Ruback - Beware: the Aquarian Age, The Masculine & The Feminine: Freddy Silva:
01.09.2015 - Santos Bonacci: Saturn vs the Sun, Black Cube, Saturnian cult, Soul path via Saturn's rings:
Symbols of an Alien Sky:
Secret of Secrets: The Elixir of Life, Hiding in the Bible Part 1:
Red Pyramid Of Egypt: Acoustic Resonance Testing:
Neo-lithic news: Stonehenge researchers 'may have found largest neolithic site':
Only 4,500 years!
07.09.2015 - From Fingerprints of the Gods to Magicians of the Gods:
Caravan To Midnight - Episode 350 The Greater Pyramids at Bosnia:
38 mins in..."... 29,200 years old, plus minus 400 years, this is radio carbon dated..."
108.30 mins... today we have writing, we think this is advanced.... the most precise form of communications the exchange of thoughts, telepathy... that's a spiritual sense... telekinesis, around us is an aura, if you could see this, that is another spiritual sense... the ancients knew about spiritual senses... "
151.40 mins: "... Gobeklitepe.... 11,600 years... when I talked to Klaus Schmidt, he told me 15,000- 17,000yeas..."
Göbekli Tepe & the Atlantis Twins:
MEGALITHIC ORIGINS: Ancient connections between Göbekli Tepe and Peru:
FROM INDONESIA TO TURKEY NEW ARCHAEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES UNCOVER THE MYSTERIES OF A LOST CIVILISATION:
Klaus Dona: Revaluation of Human History:
Brain Frequency Healing: Vital Tones Pineal Gland:
Göbeklitepe circle / temple B:
Gobekli Tepe – Temples Communicating Ancient Cosmic Geography:
Alan Wilson talks about Britain's two King Arthurs:
08.10.2015 - Libya's Stonehenge: Robert temple:
Andy Thomas interviews Marcus Allen on lunar conspiracies:
Libya's Stonehenge 40:52 mins:
The unfinished obelisk at Aswan:
Ep 53: Graham Hancock: Magicians of the Gods, Consciousness and Ayahuasca:
Did Apollo really go to the moon?
1997 James Collier Was It Only a Paper Moon - LEM Analysis:
The Origins of Oil and Petroleum:
Is oil or water the heavier?
Drone footage of Sudan’s pyramids:
14.10.2015 - Atatürk took interest in subject matter such as the legend of Mu.
Biography of Ataturk (english):
Graham Hancock is The Devil:
It's a dull opening...
"As a sociology and criminal justice professor I have heard more than my fair share of conspiracy theories."
... but, worth a read:
Göbeklitepe? The stars? NASA (never a straight answer ha ha)...
Nasa's Great Lies Just This Week:
Andrew Collins proposes a reason for why Göbeklitepe was covered over: 23mins in...
032 Capricorn TV - Andrew Collins - Gobekli Tepe - Giants - Hybrids - Nephilim:
Is the Keshe Foundtion authentic or bollocks? I suspect it is authentic, but I do not know...
3rd Ambassador Meeting, Rome 8PM CET October 16th:
1:58 mins: how life is formed; understanding the process of creation?!
20.10.2015 - Inexplicable Moon Anomalies Reveal Deception About Outer Space:
Ringmakers of Saturn:
Hurriyet Göbeklitepe photos:
T-shaped stones tell story of Gobeklitepe:
25.10.2015 - Geological Evidence Shows the Great Sphinx is 800,000 Years Old:
A Plague Upon the House of Erdogan:
03.11.2015 - The AKP have secured a majority government in Türkiye.
Göbeklitepe continues to bring the idea of frequency to mind. I'm not sure why, but this seems appropriate:
"Science is the most reliable guide in life."
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
Tom Campbell: Explained ! The Double Slit Experiment:
4 mins in... "If you notice in physics, most of the big break throughs occur with young people, because they haven't been in the system long enough to know what is impossible...."
"Reality is a product of consciousness....
Reality, mass, particles exist only as probability until measurement is made...
Two fundamental truths that we knew in the early 1900's... we don't seem to know that now!"
Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment:
The Quantum Conspiracy: What Popularizers of QM Don't Want You to Know:
05.11.2015 - NASA Researchers Disclose the Truth About Time Travel & Dimensional Portals:
"Ancients knew of portals not just to other Star Systems, but also to the inner earth, using stones, crystals, pyramids, and other structures aligned with the ley lines of this planet."
Göbeklitepe: The World's First Temple:
Red Ice Radio: Klaus Schmidt-Göbekli Tepe-The Worlds Oldest Temple?
The Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe, Ancient Catastrophes Dr Robert Schoch:
11.12.2015 - The Druids of 'Atlantis' with Thomas Sheridan:
References to Göbeklitepe:
Man Solves Tesla’s Secret To Amplifying Power By Nearly 5000%:
Strange Anomaly Discovered Inside Great Pyramid:
Stonehenge Discovered Under Lake Michigan with Carvings of Mastodon:
19.11.2015 - The Celtic Cross - Solving the Mystery:
23.11.2015 - Exploring Advanced Ancient Life and Aliens In Peru:
NASSIM HARAMEIN The Connected Universe: A Fundamental Transformation of Human Awareness:
Double slit experiment 51.30mins in...
"... the wave particle duality experiment. Matter exists both as a wave and a particle and he observer makes it a particle; if the observer is not there, it is a wave.... all possibilities condense into one probability.
"Your description is correct in terms of the Copenhagen model of the interpretation of the double slit experiment.
The interpretation I believe is inaccurate. It was described esoterically; we're gonna bend all mechanical models; it's just quantum weirdness, we're gonna run statistical analysis, reduce physics to something that cannot be visualised, don't try to imagine it; it has no structure, we've been running on that for a 100 years... the universe is not confused about the state of a particle. The idea that the cat is alive and dead inside the Schrödinger box is human centric.
Pilot-wave theory is a more appropriate and accurate description. Particles are actually moving moving in a field. If you have a particle that's moving in a field it makes waves as it moves just like a boat makes waves on the water. They got the same results for the double slit experiment using fluid dynamics...
The pilot-wave dynamics of walking droplets:
The reason it is a particle and a wave is not because of quantum weirdness; it is because there is fluid dynamics involved in the structure of the vacuum; in the structure of space time. So when a particle moves it makes waves; so if you have 2 slits, the wave is going to go across one slit and particle is going to go across the other one and they are going to interact with each other and you get all the results you have in the double slit experiment without weirdness in the middle of it. If you stick an observer there, a camera or a measuring devise, that thing is making waves within the structure of space time as well, so it will change the result of the experiment because it is interacting with the experiment. It's saying everything interacts with everything; everything is changing everything else; it's continuously informing; everything is observing everything and interacting with everything because we're feeding information into the field and everything else is feeding information into the field; everything is making waves; everything is influencing everything else."
"Love is the positive energy that is responsible for interaction between particles, thus connecting everything with everything else in the universe. So everything in the universe is interdependent."
05.12.2015 - Turkey, Syrian border, oh dear..
BREAKING: PUTIN DEPLOYS 150,000 TROOPS AS TURKEY BLOCKADES RUSSIAN NAVY:
ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection:
Erdogan’s Dirty Dangerous ISIS Games:
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/08/24/erdogan-s-dirty-dangerous-isis-games/
The Secret of Gobekli Tepe: Cosmic Equinox and Sacred Marriage:
Göbelitepe by Andrew Collins:
PREHISTORIC: Huge Geometric Shapes Discovered in Middle East Pre-Date Nazca Lines:
More Stonehenge Nonsense:
The Grail Cypher Ep.1 - Ralph Ellis/Michael Tsarion:
21.12.2015 - Before the Fall: Evidence For a Golden Age:
"There is now a massive amount of archaeological and anthropological evidence which suggests that this view of the human race’s past is completely false. Life for prehistoric human beings was far less bleak than we might imagine."
Dowsing is Simply Amazing:
Lloyd Pye - Everything You Know Is Wrong:
Tracing the Occult Origins of Christmas:
Researcher Links AI, Geoengineering, Smart Dust & Morgellons to ET’s:
Where Did Christmas Come From? Well, Not Jesus For A Start - The David Icke Videocast:
In Search of Giants by Thomas Sheridan?
11.01.2016 - Göbeklitepe in the news again; Davos, Doğuş Holding, UNESCO, Smithsonion Museum... it shows this site is of interest:
Göbeklitepe Davos'tan dünyaya açılıyor:
Oh Turkey. What is happening? The media coverage is as negative as it might have been when I first visited the country in 1988. ISIL Janissary Army of Sultan Erdogan:
Some regional history: How Zionism Helped Create Kingdom of Saudi Arabia:
21.01.2016 - Ice sculptures promote Göbeklitepe at Davos:
01.02.2016 - 'ATLANTIS' FOUND? - Field Report from Malta - VoN with Thomas Sheridan an. 27, 2016:
Malta: Hypogeum of Ħal-Saflieni:
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THE AVEBURY EXPERIENCE AND ESOTERIC COLLEGE
MY EXPERIENCE OF THE AFTERLIFE:
LOST CIVILIZATION: The 15,000 year old ‘unknown chapter in human history’:
21.02.2016 - The Pyramids & Orion's Belt - Nassim Haramein:
Orion or Cygnus?
Andrew Collins - The Cygnus Mystery:
Forbidden Archeology, The Lost Caves of Giza:
Graham Hancock on BBC News - September 9 - 2015 - Magicians of the gods discussion:
24.03.2016 - Is Our View of History Wrong? New Research Group Aims to Investigate the Evidence for an Advanced Ancient Civilisation:
3.03.2016 - Classical music festival for Göbeklitepe:
27.04.2016 - Star Gods, Ancient Knowledge Of DNA, Secrets Hidden In Stone & Ancient Aliens:
Punk Science: James Gordon Graham interviews Dr Manjir Samanta-Laughton:
115 Capricorn TV - Nassim Haramein - New Discovery in Physics !
10.05.2016 - The Mystery of Skara Brae:
Wal Thornhill: The Star ‘Proto-Saturn’ - EU Workshop:
Symbols of an Alien Sky:
Stonehenge: As Above, So Below is a game changer:
This seems to be an absurd notion: Dinosaurs Never Existed!... but, is it possible we have taken a completely incorrect road? Or, just for fun, let's consider:
035 Capricorn TV - Erich von Däniken... mentions Göbeklitepe:
Stonehenge - Behind the Scenes filming:
Material for archaeological anoraks! Andreas Otte: Plasma Catastrophist Geology 2015:
Symposium - Marlborough College August 20/2016 - Avebury Stone Circle & Environs August 21/2016:
19.05.2016 - 5,000-Year-Old Unlooted Tomb of Thracian Warrior is Biggest Find of the Year in Turkey:
Is a Celtic Cross a scientific instrument as well as a sacred symbol?
Is it possible there is more to the cross than we previously understood?
Resurrected by Crichton E M Miller in 1997 the ancient working cross
has been awarded two Patents. The cross was demonstrated twice at
Cambridge University by invitation in 2006 and 2007.
An investigation of the origins of the Neolithic farming village on Orkney Island reveals the striking similarities between Skara Brae and the traditions of pre-dynastic ancient Egypt as preserved by the Dogon people of Mali.
13.06.2016 - Göbeklitepe to be closed to visitors:
Vintage year 1963!
Enormous Burial Mound in Turkey May Contain Long-Lost Graves of Attalid Rulers:
034 Capricorn TV - Maurice Cotterell - Super Gods, Sunspot Cycles, & Future Science:
13.07.2016 - Gobeklitepe - FACTS / NOT NEW AGE CRAP - Video 1:
Dinosaurs Never Existed!???
02.08.206 - Ley Lines- The “KEY” to Unlocking the Matrix:
16.08.2016 - What Created This 'Melted Limestone' Beside the Pyramids of Giza?
19.08.26 - The BBC was again apparently lying this morning about Trump, Syria, Corbyn etc etc... This Hancock interview on RT seemed apt; referencing the paradigm shift we are experiencing now and how Göbelitepe is a catalyst for this shift:
26.08.2016 - World's oldest needle found in Siberian cave that stitches together human history:
15.09.2016 - ELECTRIC UNIVERSE THEORY:
Nassim Haramein 2015 - The Connected Universe - 1.09 mins: who's this guy?
Piers Corbyn: The Reality of Long Range Weather and Climate Forecasting: EU2014: 33.31 mins wisdom owl image:
04.10.2016 - Joe Rogan Experience #852 - John Anthony West?
068 Ralph Ellis - Modernknowledge @ CapricornRadioTV?
27.10.2016 - Jesus, this blog post is getting long. Either you have the inclination to listen or not, but a fun moment around 22 mins 30 secs of episode 3 below... as Ralph Ellis explains:
"The mother of King Izas Manu of Edessa was Queen Helena of Judea 1st century... biggest palace, biggest tomb in Jerusalem which is still there... she was the mother of Jesus. I'll tell you a funny story about this...
I went to Israel, I've been there 3 or 4 times... you get off the aircraft and as you can imagine, security is tight when you go through Tel Aviv airport, you get an individual interview... this guy was very thorough, very professional... he said why are you here?
I said I'm investigating the history of Queen Helena of Judea.
He said there is no such Queen, don't be stupid... he said I was born here, I was educated here, there is no Queen Helena.
I said I'm sorry, but there is. Let's go on the internet
So he googled Queen Helena and there she is, Queen of Judea. He had no idea who this person was.
So he said, oh OK, you're right, here's your visa, off you go...
So, this very very famous Queen of Judea has been deleted from history.... because her history is controversial... because the last thing anyone wants is putting 2 and 2 together and she was the mother of Jesus.... they re-invented her as the mother of Constantine the Great, the inventor of Christianity... and the real Queen Helena just disappeared..."
Nothing to rock the boat there then!?
072 The Grail Cypher Ep 1 - ModernKnowledge @ CapricornRadioTV
073 The Grail Cypher Ep 2 - ModernKnowledge @ CapricornRadioTV
.... 22 mins 30 secs of episode 3... Ralph Ellis explains:
074 The Grail Cypher Ep 3 - Ralph Ellis/Michael Tsarion - ModernKnowledge @ CapricornRadioTV
It's fascinating to observe the debunkers too. Here is some one suggesting we take Ralph Ellis with a pinch of salt:
A New Theory That Jesus Was King of Edessa? Not So Fast, Mr. Ellis!
"That’s right. Though the article says nothing whatsoever about an academic affiliation, credentials, or if this individual has a grasp of the ancient, original languages...." ....... and so it goes on.
"In my last post I went through and showed the breathtakingly poor arguments of Ralph Ellis who argues, among other things, is that Jesus was a descendant of Cleopatra, was the king of Edessa, and was exiled to Britain by the Romans to become King Arthur. There I showed how in a single paragraph of his book that his ideas were so full of wrong that it is hard to imagine it was accidental."
Naughty naughty Ralph!!
The solution? Bring them all to a public platform to be examined and investigated openly; perhaps a publicly funded platform... oh we have one: The BBC! Hmmm.
From my friend Arzu...
Kazım Mirşan and Haluk Tarcan are important turkologs. Kazım Mirşan read Odin's writings. (same as Central Asia's Orhun's tablet) Od means fire in Turkish... H.Tarcan is in youtube.
Turks created an alphabet 16,000 years ago, migrated from Centra Asia all over; arrived in Anatolia 14,000B.C. (sorry for Helens, Greeks). So the people in Göbeklitepe were Turks. :)
Book of Gene D. Matlock: What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?
Kurds are Turkish too. (Sorry for Hillary)
Kent in UK comes from Kent in Turkish (like Tashkent) We will be relatives at the end :))
Flawed analysis casts doubt on years of evolutionary research:
03.11.2016 - Tweeted out by Graham Hancock: Stuff just keeps getting older:
07.01.2017 - Clif High-2017 Predictions on Everything:
The White House has finally released a strategy for dealing with deadly asteroids:
08.01.2017 - Documentary depicts ancient Göbeklitepe as idol center from Abrahamic age:
Zero Point In Time:
21.02.2017 - Sign Against Government Devastating Stonehenge:
Ancient Civilisations, Brien Foerster:
Klaus Dona - Unsolved Mysteries pt.1: Giants, Elongated Skulls & Ooparts - FULL LECTURE:
Klaus Dona - Unsolved Mysteries pt.2: Ancient Artifacts & Extreme Antiquity - FULL LECTURE:
Amazing Ancient Electrical Power Sources:
Gravity in the Electric Universe:
Red Ice Radio David Talbott: The Electric Universe & The Saturn Myth:
Milliyet pyramid photos:
04.04.2017 - Michael Cremo joins Conspiracy Or Not Here We Come#35 Extreme Human Antiquity:
25.04.2017 - How the historical Jesus prevented paedophile priests:
15.05.2017 - Claim: Stone Carvings Reveal Comet Catastrophe | Space News:
18.06.2017 - The Giants Of The Bible Are 100% Real And Still Alive Today! NEW INFO MAY 2017
25.07.2017 - Michael Cremo Latest Bizarre Archaelogical Finds:
Gobeklitepe The Worlds First Temple
International INCIDENT at Gobekli Tepe:
24.08.2017 - A Case for the World's Oldest Coin: Lydian Lion:
First pictorial representation of Göbekli Tepe T-pillars found on tiny bone plaque
by Andrew Collins:
200,000 Years Ago Something Happened that Changed Humans Gentically
09.09.2017 - The Mysterious Origins of Civilization: John Anthony West in conversation with Graham Hancock :
John Anthony West refers to the work of Georges Ivanovich Gurdjieff, an early 20th c. mystic, philosopher, spiritual teacher, and composer of Armenian and Greek descent. In a nutshell, the heart seems to be a brain too, perhaps even more powerfully so. It is proposed that consciousness is not local to the brain.
The uncovering of Göbeklitepe provided the smoking gun.
"A fundamental ailment of the so called civilisation that surrounds us today, is the complete disconnect from spirit."
West says his ideas haven't touched Donald Trump. I hold hope for Donald Trump, and at the same time would give platform to John Anthony West.
Sacred Movement of Gurdjieff:
HeartMath Institute: expanding heart connections:
What Science Is Telling Us About The Heart’s Intuitive Intelligence:
David Icke Heart Over Mind:
Wallace Thornhill: The Elegant Simplicity of the Electric Universe (with improved audio) | EU2016
Ancient Extinction Revealed: Atlantis, Göbekli Tepe & Mysteries of the Gods with Graham Hancock?
Michael Cremo: "Forbidden Archaeology" | Talks at Google
23.09.2017 - Is this nonsense? Is Cliff High merely good with the gab. 39 mins in... Göbeklitepe gets another mention:
Clif High (September 18, 2017) - The Three Amigos, To Talk About Bix, Clif High
Khajuraho Group of Monuments:
Sculptured Erotic Art of Khajuraho Temples
19.10.2017 - Tula Giants conspiracy files:
More bollocks theories from conventional wisdomists:
Discourses on an Alien Sky #33: The Prehistoric Mother Goddess
Are Human Beings Robots? | Interview with Dr. Rupert Sheldrake:
INTERESTING Velikovsky, The Dogon & The Sirius Mystery: Laird Scranton who deems Donald Trump an enthusiast for the KKK discusses Velikovsky and the Dogon. Indeed, I've had robust discourse with his son Issac on the issue of Trump and racisim... zzzzzzz. I find it disconcerting to sit through engaging lecture by some one such as Laird, only to discover later he has limited understanding and analytical appraisal for current day affairs...